1 A Reply to the reply on Reason's it's great to be FEMALE!!
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-No one cares huh? Except for the guy that you keep waiting forever and ever, especially if it's his money. This point doesn't prove anything except how worship-hungry and conceited girls can be.
See, that's why I don't go shopping with guys. They only oggle and complain, making the stupid task of shopping more painful than it already is. Besides, if you're paying all the time, you need to check out what kind of girl's you're letting yourself hook up with.
2) You don't have to go to the bathroom standing right next to your friends, or worse yet, next to total strangers
-Yet you have to go to the bathroom together for "support". More like, "Let's go talk badly about the guy we're with and leave him there feeling uncomfortable"
Actually, when I'm taking a ps, the guy waiting is the last thing I want to talk about (I usually do that while washing my hands). And since you assume it's bad, you can't think too highly of yourself, or women. Maybe that's why you end up with the girls who steal your money.
3) There's no pressure to be "bigger" than your friends. . .if you get my drift.
-I have never had such pressure, and you forget about breasts. There's just as much pressure in that as there is in what you're referring to.
Actually there are a ton of women out there who want smaller breasts, or who love their breasts. I think all breasts are beautiful (and, no, I'm not saying it because I'm gay) and if a woman is unhappy with them, it's their own issue. Also, when you have men talking to them all the time, you get the feeling that they're something to be worried about.
4) We don't have to be able to bench 300 lbs to even be thought of as buff.
- True. But you're usually not thought of as buff anyway, really. So this argument is totally nonsensical and pointless.
Not thought of as buff? No, that's because we've been supressed into carrying around children for generations and that doesn't give you quite the same workout. It's only lately that womane are getting into body building. And I think she meant the media doesn't pressure us the same as it pressures men. Open one of those male magazines of yours and you'll see.
5) We don't want to be buff in the first place
-Exactly. Point 5 makes point 4 weaker. Good job on arguing against yourself.
This doesn't make her argue against herself. It finishes her "we don't have to be" with a "and we don't want to be." Not quite the same thing.
6) We have all of the cool magizines
-Girl magazines? GREAT There's nothing better than being exploited and being put down because you can't live up to the standards of the "ideal image". Not to mention people telling you you're not pretty enough the way you are so you have to dress like this to be beautiful. Not to mention false information about men. No wonder there's so much a lack of communication. you base your facts off of magazines. And you waste money. There's also too many ads.
Open Cosmo lately? The only reason we buy those is because ads with titles like "intensify your orgasm" or "10 tips to make him your sex slave." Trust me. It's not a waste of money. No more than Playboy.
7) Make-Up
- That takes forever to do. We can look good naturally. The media has fed you the lie that you can't.
Does it matter how long it takes if you're not the one doing it? Besides, NEWSFLASH: Men are starting to wear it too As ugly as you other guys think it may be, A LOT of girls actually like it Johnny Depp's eye liner looked very sexy in (name shortened) The BlackPearl. And, no, not all of you look good naturally either. And media? Who gives a bleep about the media. I like that I can use myself as a canvas and not worry about other people not liking it.
8) Shoes
- Possessions. They won't matter when you're dead and gone.
Neither does breathing. But we do it. Washing, wearing clothing and buying CD's doesn't either. But people do it. If I like shoes (I don't, but let's say I do), why can't I buy them without worrying that they are trivial possessions. So are the stamps that some people collect. Shoes come in different shapes, colors and (duh) sizes. Some people care about shoes.
9) Prom. . .dresses. . .pretty hair. . .
-Well.. you guys look nice in these. I can't argue.
But, oh It doesn't matter when we're dead and gone Hypocrite.
10) Everybody wants to see the bride and her dress. . .Grooms are all the same. . .same thing goes for Prom or any formal dance. They just rewear the same thing for everything.
- You have a good point here. But it's a lot easier for us isn't it?
Yeah, but is it as fun?
11)We can like groups like NSync (oh baby) and O-Town and not be concidered gay or stupid.
-We don't like groups like that anyway. They're not targeted towards us. This argument is pointless.
So is yours. Just because they aren't targeted toward you guys doesn't mean you, in a group sense, don't or can't like them. Who's following the media NOW?
12) We dont have to shave our face
-But you do have to shave your legs. Ouch :(
Yeah, but you can't see our razor rash or cuts if we don't want you to. And we can cover our legs if we don't have the time to do it. Besides, I like how my shaved legs feel even if it does cover more are and take more time. Anway, it's under the arms that's the killer. :S
13) Chick flicks rock
- Yup. It definitely rocks to watch some fabricated fake story to get your hopes up and that will never happen. Try living in the real world.
X-MEN, Star Wars, The Lord of the Rings, Shang Hai WhateverTimeOfDay, or even Disney movies.... NONE of these have anything to do with the so-called "real world." They're all fantasies, just like those chick-flicks.
14)We get to oogle all the hotties such as: Paul Walker, Matt Damon, Freddie Prinze Jr., Keanu Reeves. . .ect. . .the list goes on and on
-That argument is pointless. We get very beautiful women to look at.
Yeah, but the point is, we get the guys. Unless you are gay, which is fine because we're willing to share.
15) glitter and shimmer
-Ok. That's not even a sentence.
Neither is "Ok." And you'd understand if you knew what it was like to be able so say "ooOOoo, shiney" and then be able to WEAR the shiney object. Of course, you could if you weren't to scared to do so. I mean... you have the ideas of the 'media' to think about. A guy wearing GLITTER? Blasphemy
16) We mature faster and statisticly do better in school. . .even when we don't do better in school, we can make people think we do
-First, it's "Statistically". If you are going to make the argument that you're smart, don't sound like a MORON. Second, define "do better". Who can rotate 3d objects better in their heads? That's right. Who has a bigger knack for science and math? That's right. Men
"Men" have a better grasp at math because MORONS like YOU spread around that STUPID idea. There have been studies of young women pre and post-puberty that show this: The reason women do not do as well in math in high school is because they have that notion planted in their minds by the society they live in. They are convinced that guys perform better in math, and girls perform better in English and they therefore give up on math. ALSO, men in their 20's are STILL going through puberty and DO mature slower than women. AND, a recent study shows that their brains shrink at a faster rate with age than women's do. BTW, the people who can rotate 3D objects the best are those with dyslexia. They think more so in pictures and in 3D than other people.
-As for why you do better? You're favored.
Who are the schools centered around at a younger age? Who has a more conducive environment in school that's fit easier with their personality? That's right. Women.
Who still recieves the most sexual discrimination in schools? That's right. Women. Who's more likely to have a male teacher look down their shirt at least once a month? That's right. Women. (And we DO notice, which makes it really difficult to actually get your work done when you're thinking about how you have to go through that again because they'll put the male teacher's word before the female student's.) Who gets less recognition in school related sports? You got it, WOMEN.
17) We always will have the great excuse of , it's that time of the month. After you say that, no guy messes with you and you get away with anything
-Here's the Rule for all the guys: If the girl really is having a hard time, comfort her. If she's using it for an excuse and just wants sympathy so she can manipulate you, Don't give it to her. Expose her lies and demand to be treated how you ought to be treated.
Yeah, you've got one point there. But few women actually use it as an excuse. It's bad "period Karma." And getting away with anything when you actually ARE on your period, is great comfort when you feel like you have three pairs of scissors tearing at your insides.
18) Cops tend to be much more sympathetic with girls.
-You're mostly right here....
The even greater thing is, our crying is generally NOT fake. Who doesn't feel like crying when you're being faced with a ticket?
19) Many men will want you, only one will finally get you and even he, wont deserve you
-Every man deserves a woman. Every woman deserves a man. You're not a goddess. This petty argument is a defense-mechanism for what you really feel inside. You long to be worshipped, and bowed down to. It's not gonna happen.
Sorry, not EVERY man deserves a woman. Some men deserve to be frying in a vat of tea tree oil. But then, so do some women. See, it's this thing called equality. Some men also want to be worshipped as well. If there are people out there who are looking for someone to worship, what's the problem with it? And all of your arguments reflect how you see women. So far you give the impression that you see us as willowy little things who do nothing but put on makeup, try on clothes, bitch about men, and fail math. (As for how I feel, yes I feel a great resentment toward men, as I have father issues. And sometimes I hate people in general. But I can say it.)
-It's called "do your part" so do it. Men aren't gonna wait around for some stuck-up princess. They're going to climb the mountains and search the world for a girl who loves them and understands them so they can treat her respectfully and right.
Ummm... what if we don't wanna do it? Some of us are just as tired of looking. So we adopt the "if it happens" attitude.
20) Women never need to buy a drink.
- Funny. I've seen many women buying drinks.
Yeah, I don't like this one either. I ALWAYS buy my own drinks, even if a guy offers. But I still don't like most of your arguments prior to this one.
21) Even if your not sweet or innocent, it's easy as cake to pretend
-and that would benefit you how?
Well, I guess it helps if want to take up a career in acting.
22) You don't even need to know the guy, just smile and he wants you. . .hehe, doesn't mean he will get what he wants
-Yeah but if you like a guy and he definitely doesn't like you, you'll try to get him to like you and he might take advantage of you. He most likely won't grow to like you no matter how nice you are to him. If he doesn't like you, he doesn't like you. Maybe it's because guys know what they want.
You sound like you have more issues than me Besides, what does all this "if he doesn't want you" stuff have to do with her statement? She said "he wants you" and "doesn't mean he'll get what he wants." What you said was a poor argument here.
-Girls can be won over. Maybe it's because a lot of girls can't figure out what they want.
That's derogitory. No wonder you have such a bad veiw on women. You probably end up with the girls who are "won over" for a shopping trip the next day. The university I'm attending has more females than males. And in general, the girls have a more defined goal and have thier majors picked in the first year because they KNOW what they want. These are the girls who are smart enough to stay away from the guys who try to "win them over." Might be why you haven't seen many of them.
-This one works both ways. Keep living in your goddess world. You're so conceited the only thing you need the rest of your life is a mirror and a video cassette that gives you compliments. Have fun.
I bet you didn't date much in highschool. You seem to hold a lot of resentment toward the girls who think they're 'goddesses.'
23) You never have to agree to anything. No is an universal answer
-an universal?...
I could easily pick through your own grammar mistakes. But they mean diddly to me. Could you not come up with a decent argument?
24) Alamony
- you're right on this one too...
Quite right. But I honestly don't agree with it. Equality people Equality (Except when the kids are involved, then there's the whole child support thing. But, that's different. And could end up going to either parent.)
25) Ladies First
-Not when you take advantage of it, treat us like slaves, and expect it all the time at your discretion. Forget ladies first. Try doing something nice for us to show your appreciation for what we're doing for you.
"Thankyou" isn't enough of a "something for us?" It's just a door. Like I said... bitter issues. There aren't enough gentlemen out there anymore for us to be able to take advantage of it anyway. I have more old ladies hold doors for me than men of any age. So, if you don't open the door, what are you doing for us? Hey, it's not like we're asking you to throw your jacket in the mud so we can walk on it. And I only expect you to open the door if I'm carrying groceries, so relax.
26) We set the standards. If a guy doesn't fit them, we find soembody who does. Guys don't have it that easy.
-You're right on this one. This is why you're so screwed up. You forgot a relationship means caring for the other person, not being worshipped.
Now, is this "you" for her... or "us?" And, did anyone else see the word "worshiped?" All I see is "standards." Do you not expect "us" to have them?
27) We're always right, even when we're wrong.
-or not. Maybe in your adolescent head you are, but when you grow up, you're going to learn something new. It's called taking responsibility for your actions. And believe me, you'll be doing it.
So will you. As you can see already.... You could have easily argued with her without your jabs at women in general. Yes, I know I spoke of men in general too.... But I was trying to prove the point that generalizing is WRONG.
28) Our insurance is lower
-True.
Yup.
As you know, the list goes on forever There are countless reasons why it is great to be Female So many that I can't even think of all of them. Yes, it is true that God made Man first. However, you need a rough draft before you make a perfect copy
-More like, The original is always better than the copy.
Once again, derogitory. She's wrong, but doing it in HUMOR. Heard of it?
and God doesn't need a rough draft anyway. He's perfect.
Seriously though, You have some messed up info on God. Read the forward in here entitled, "God...on Woman". That's how it should be. Too bad women like you have gone and shamed men from being who God told them they could be by manipulating, using, exploiting, and hating them. Have fun living your shallow life in your goddess dream world. Maybe one day you'll realize that love is loving the other person back, not just getting love from somone.
God told man that he could be what? In the bible man dominates woman. Lilith was cast away for thinking for herself(I am not bashing Christianity or any religion). Why do you think we hate them? We've had to work so hard just to become close to equal to you. And even now we're still objectified and groped. And I don't mean in the media, I mean by real men in a real mall or on a real street. If you think women are so bad, 98-99 percent of spousal abuse is performed by men. Three in four women will be abused physically by a man at some pint in their lives. And we still have a harder time keeping up in your "real world". How do you like THAT point of view?
This forward was intended to make women feel empowered. Sure it went about it in the wrong way at some parts, but the overall message was still there. At least it was until you crushed it. Kudos to you. I know what you mean at some points. Especially when I read that forward you referred to. But you seem to not take into account that there are non-lesbian women out there who feel that they are strong enough to not need men. Or feel that they don't want someone in their lives who they have to constanly coddle and assure. Now we have to deal with men like you who take all independent women and shove them into one catagory because we don't love you enough. We're not HERE to love men. We're HERE to be women.
I will openly admit that at some points I sound hypocritical, but I try to mske my point around it. If you did have another point aside from bashing the things women do, you didn't prove it well. Try it next time without all of the generalizations, and then maybe we may start talking to you like we don't hate men.
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